I dont get what you mean when you say its common that his negative feelings arent taken seriously or that its a Tsundere trope. The entire show revolves around him not wanting to be a main character, or to just be average. Not sure if I explained my part right and i might also be biased cause i still like the show but I want to hear more about ur reasoning

@Cupcakefunnyface1 There's no problem if Saiki doesn't want to be a main character or to be average, that's not what I'm complaining about.

My point is that the entire show does the wrong thing. My point is that chapter 108 makes an unacceptable joke about how scared Saiki is to hide from Teruhashi. I argue that it should not make a joke of such a severe reaction such as trying to hang out of a window to hide from her, and that this is very poor taste.

In addition, this is repeated, as many of his negative facial expressions and comments are unreasonably ignored, even in chapters 195, 197, 214, 280. In chapter 214, Saiki is unhappy and has a negative tone throughout the entire chapter and in the actual translation, threatens to destroy Aiura's mind with buddhist sutras.

But of course, Saiki's negative comments are ignored because he's a "tsundere". I think this is nonsense, the way that this is handled.

I think that the idea that Saiki K promotes (that you can ignore every negative thing that Saiki K says because of the tsundere trope) is a dangerous and harmful idea about relationships, and should not be promoted.

The tsundere trope is supposed to be a joke. the tsundere trope itself is kinda a funny joke anyway. it was meant to be a joke. (IF it was actually done in the anime or manga.)

Saiki isnt going to kill himself or anything, and saiki himself isnt a tsundere. he just doesnt like teruhashi. the joke was that what he did was so severe and a extreme reaction just to not be seen by someone. in season 2 they are going to still need a storyline. you cant just hang off a comedy manga/anime forever. you are going to want to read something new. there are jokes about his friends dying in stupid ways. (including kaido talking about how at one point they are all gonna go crazy on the island and start killing eachother with weapons, as he draws weird stuff on his face with marker.)

Its called the disastrous life of saiki k for a reason. its gonna have to actually get disastrous at some point

They arent hiding any POLITICAL ideologies at all.

It isnt used to promote horrible relationship adivce, as saiki doesnt want to be in a relationship anyway.

It also isnt used to promote fetishes because no weird fetishes are included. (even including saiki talking down on them and calling them disgusting.) Saiki starts warming up to his friends anyway, and doesnt try to hide from them as much.

You are whining about things that are just funny go along threats. he isnt actually threatening to do it. he isnt going to kill anybody. he isnt panning on doing it because he likes his friends. it was just a way to show he didnt like them. its obviously going to be ignored because hes not going to do it. the manga literally ends with him quite literally talking about how he loves his friends and how they'd support him no matter what he does. its heartwarming. there is no reason for this.

@Iloveyousomuchsososoooo

saiki himself isnt a tsundere. I agree with you. However, the show handles this badly and promotes the idea that he is a tsundere trope in the chapter with his grandpa.

He just doesnt like teruhashi. Yes, that's true in this moment, but my point is that his reaction is minimised and ridiculised.

It isnt used to promote horrible relationship adivce, as saiki doesnt want to be in a relationship anyway. I completely agree with you in that Saiki doesn't want to be in a relationship. However, it seems like the author made the completely irresponsible move to promote a Saiki x Teruhashi storyline with hints. Who knows what he has planned for them. Unfortunately, they messed it up, and that's why I'm complaining.

there are jokes about his friends dying in stupid ways. My problem is not that bad things happen. That is fine, because they are not treated badly. What happens elsewhere is that there is a recognition that what happens is bad, and that his friends dying is bad and I would argue that those are not of too bad taste,

However, my point is that in chapter 108, it's treated in a way that means Saiki's emotions don't actually matter. What this teaches the reader is that you should do this in a relationship, because most of the readers of the manga are very young.

It also isnt used to promote fetishes because no weird fetishes are included. The tsundere trope is a fetish because what it's about is ignoring someone's negative emotions and then getting gratification about it. My point is that the manga hides its' ideology in jokes. It's not political, but that doesn't matter. My point stays the same.

You are whining about things that are just funny go along threats. he isnt actually threatening to do it. he isnt going to kill anybody. he isnt panning on doing it because he likes his friends. No, neither of the events in chapter 108 nor 214 are funny, especially with the context that I know. It is true that he likes his friends, however, threats should not be taken as a joke.

Mental health and social constraint as a subject in Saiki K should not be ridiculised and ignored until it's just, "oh, he can get out if he wants to, he has super powers", or "he's not going to do this, let's not take any of his emotions seriously". That's why I think the entire show is wrong.

Isnt his grandpa the tsundere trope..? and the tsundere trope with the grandpa is supposed to be a joke

His reaction is minimized and ridiculised because hes not going to die or fall or anything.

The author didnt drop any hints, you are going solely based off things you THINK are hints. you go "who knows what the author has planned for them" like the anime and manga didnt end. the anime is saiki trying to AVOID dating teruhashi.

Oh yeah, and any sane person woud know not to re enact anything in manga. as a kid, if you saw someone kill in a manga because someone is bullying them and nobody would seek to help them out, would you do it too because someone was bullying you? would you kill a person over it? if someone re enacts smth in a manga it is not the manga's fault. when i was 10-13, i was reading manga that wasnt meant for teens or children and was meant for adults. i wasnt thinking "oh im gonna do whatever this guy did if i was in this situation"

For the last time, saiki isnt a tsundere. saiki isnt going to kill anybody or hurt anybody just because he says he will monotonely. its supposed to be a joke.

Saiki doesnt have any low mental health or social constraint, he just doesnt want to talk to people. he wants to live a normal life and doesnt want to be the MC

@Iloveyousomuchsososoooo Isnt his grandpa the tsundere trope..? and the tsundere trope with the grandpa is supposed to be a joke You should understand that it's not going to be taken as a joke, which is why it's serious.

His reaction is minimized and ridiculised because hes not going to die or fall or anything. So, let's say someone has a nervous breakdown/is scared of someone. Why is that funny? This still does not change what I said. All that this chapter does is make fun of mental health and Saiki's emotions.

This reply makes me so mad because it misses the point.

The author didnt drop any hints, you are going solely based off things you THINK are hints. you go "who knows what the author has planned for them" like the anime and manga didnt end. the anime is saiki trying to AVOID dating teruhashi.

I agree with you in that the end, Saiki and Teruhashi don't get together, which is good. That is very clear. However, I hate the author precisely because of how they treated Saiki x Teruhashi.

I extremely hate the author for the hints.

Oh yeah, and any sane person woud know not to re enact anything in manga. This is a slice of life anime, based on a highschool. Nobody is going to bully people in a manga because the manga doesn't support that message, but the manga jokes about the tsundere trope.

For the last time, saiki isnt a tsundere. saiki isnt going to kill anybody or hurt anybody just because he says he will monotonely. its supposed to be a joke.

I already said that I agree with what you said. But that still misses the point.

My point is that threats aren't funny and shouldn't be joked about in a comedy.

Saiki doesnt have any low mental health or social constraint, he just doesnt want to talk to people. he wants to live a normal life and doesnt want to be the MC

I am not talking about Saiki. I am talking about what the manga is supposedly trying to tell the readers.

What the manga is supposedly telling you is that you should ignore negative comments because of how it frames everything as not being serious. It ridiculises negative emotions as just being part of the tsundere trope. It makes Saiki and Teruhashi have a shitty relationship but then treats it as if it's positive.

This is so dumb 💀

@Ilovetheeffeltower If complaining about Saiki's emotions being ridiculised is dumb, tell me why. No argument that I've found against this is sufficient.

Panic attacks are not a joke and are not funny.

I'm genuinely confused by whatever it is your trying to say. Let start with the the term "tsundere" While im not a huge anime fan and only ever heard that term used every so often I assumed it meant a cold character who is actually sweet and caring internally. Even wikipedia says "depicts a character with an initially harsh personality who gradually reveals a warmer, friendlier side over time"

So if you could expand on how that is a fetish that would be great. You wrote:

"The tsundere trope is a fetish because what it's about is ignoring someone's negative emotions and then getting gratification about it."

• A Tsundere is just a common trope in anime that just has to do with the characters personality and character arc... how is it a fetish and how is the anime/manga portraying it in that way?

• Whos negative emotions are being ignored and whose ignoring them? Are Teruhashi and Aiura the ones ignoring or do you mean the author is ignoring that Saiki is troubled and just moving on like its a joke? Is that what you mean?

In the panels you showed he's just hiding from Teruhashi and telepathically communicating with Aiura saying that hearing the constant internal voices is a lot for him to handle.

Him hiding from Teruhashi out of the window isn't dangerous for him, hes a psychic, he can float in the air... for his character it's not a crazy reaction. When he sees a bug he teleports across the world, when he was scared by nendo he teleported across the world.

Him telling Aiura that he doesnt like hearing peoples thoughts 24/7 and that its a struggle rather than a blessing is perfectly fine, whats wrong with the author writing that? The whole point is that he's a super gifted psychic who has insane abilities that most people would love to have but he hates having them because it makes his life difficult, thats why its called "The Disastrous life of Saiki k". His struggles with his abilities should be shown.

• Who is getting gratification from Saiki's negative emotions? Teruhashi? Aiura? His friends? The readers or the author? Who?

No one can hear his internal thoughts and no one knows that he's inconvenienced by his powers. The people that know about his abilities don't know the struggle that comes with them because Saiki never really shares that or they cant understand because how could they possibly understand??

The author takes Saiki's emotions very seriously and portrays them as such, like how Saiki cared for Akechi from his childhood and lost control when he was being bullied and how he loves his friends and secretly tampers with their lives to help them. How he's scared and paranoid he will hurt them or that their friendship just wont be the same so he distances himself. He's a very well rounded character. Any minimisation of his emotions are done on purpose to show that Saiki doesnt like to be vulnerable which just adds further depth to his character.

Moving on...

"This use of the tsundere trope is unacceptable. If you can use it to basically ignore everything that Saiki says, this gives a very bad idea of a relationship. I think that this is even harmful because it is promoting bad relationship advice."

What relationship advice lol?? That panel was meant to emphasize how Saiki avoids Teruhashi. No one is thinking that he's interested in her and it's clear at this point of the animanga that he wants nothing to do with her. He thinks that she's just going after him because shes obsessed with the fact that he has absolutely no reaction to her, not because she actually has feelings. Later on however, he realizes Teruhashi has come to like him just for him, that her feelings have moved past just wanting him to find her attractive. And then he grows to respect her unwavering confidence and how she really does have a good influence on the people around her even if she has selfish motives.

The point is they GROW to actually be more compatible for one another throughout the plot. At that point in the panel they were not meant to depict a good relationship. Do you think just because the author is hinting at them being a couple they have to act like one?

A Tsundere is just a common trope in anime that just has to do with the characters personality and character arc... how is it a fetish and how is the anime/manga portraying it in that way?

The basis of the appeal of this trope is that whenever a character says something negative, the reader can just say that you can ignore everything that this character says. It's basically a kink based on denial, which is why I hate it. I think that this is how the author sees this. Let's say it's a relatively common trope in anime. That doesn't mean that it's accepted everywhere. Anime is still somewhat of a fringe thing.

The manga supports the tsundere trope and it is not just a joke, and is part of the series.

Whos negative emotions are being ignored and whose ignoring them? Are Teruhashi and Aiura the ones ignoring or do you mean the author is ignoring that Saiki is troubled and just moving on like its a joke? Is that what you mean?

I mean, it's both the author and the characters themselves. The characters ignoring Saiki's emotions doesn't necessarily suck, depending on how the author treats it. Teruhashi and Aiura ignore Saiki's emotions, but in chapter 108 Teruhashi has no way to know, this is made very clear. However, Aiura was being really annoying in chapter 214.

In the panels you showed he's just hiding from Teruhashi and telepathically communicating with Aiura saying that hearing the constant internal voices is a lot for him to handle.

If you translate the original Japanese sentence in chapter 214, it's a threat about making Aiura hear constant voices by using buddhist sutras.

In chapter 108, how Saiki acts is a panic attack, because of how Saiki reacts severely enough, as he said his body instinctually moved out of the way.

Him hiding from Teruhashi out of the window isn't dangerous for him, hes a psychic, he can float in the air... for his character it's not a crazy reaction. When he sees a bug he teleports across the world, when he was scared by nendo he teleported across the world.

I think that panic attacks should be seriously. When he sees a bug and teleports in a world, I think it was handled alright, because I think that the author paid enough attention to it. I think that chapter 108 was cruel and supported the idea that Saiki's emotions don't matter.

Him telling Aiura that he doesnt like hearing peoples thoughts 24/7 and that its a struggle rather than a blessing is perfectly fine, whats wrong with the author writing that? The whole point is that he's a super gifted psychic who has insane abilities that most people would love to have but he hates having them because it makes his life difficult, thats why its called "The Disastrous life of Saiki k". His struggles with his abilities should be shown.

That's not the whole context of chapter 214. As I said, it was originally a threat in the Japanese translation about making Aiura listening to buddhist sutras. However, chapter 214 was filled with Aiura bothering Saiki instead of leaving him alone.

I argue that chapter 108 and 214 show that Saiki's communication skills suck and that Saiki's emotions don't really matter, but instead of the author mentioning this, they make this bullshit narrative about Saiki secretly liking Teruhashi.

Who is getting gratification from Saiki's negative emotions? Teruhashi? Aiura? His friends? The readers or the author? Who?

The people who are getting gratification from Saiki's negative emotions are the author, and some unsavoury readers.

No one can hear his internal thoughts and no one knows that he's inconvenienced by his powers. The people that know about his abilities don't know the struggle that comes with them because Saiki never really shares that or they cant understand because how could they possibly understand??

They don't need to understand his probleems with his powers. However, what they should do is that they should leave him alone if he asks them to like in chapter 214. I think that Saiki struggles with saying no to things, which is a big problem for many Japanese people. However, I think that this manga amplifies it too much.

The author takes Saiki's emotions very seriously and portrays them as such, like how Saiki cared for Akechi from his childhood and lost control when he was being bullied and how he loves his friends and secretly tampers with their lives to help them. How he's scared and paranoid he will hurt them or that their friendship just wont be the same so he distances himself. He's a very well rounded character. Any minimisation of his emotions are done on purpose to show that Saiki doesnt like to be vulnerable which just adds further depth to his character.

I agree with most of this, but I think that when Saiki is unhappy and has a very unhappy face and just doesn't want to deal with people, it's not handled correctly.

Chapter 108 treats Saiki's emotions as a complete joke and there were no consequences for what happened. I think that this is irresponsible the way it was shown. It is very clear that at this point that he wants nothing to do with her, I agree with you.

What relationship advice lol?? That panel was meant to emphasize how Saiki avoids Teruhashi. No one is thinking that he's interested in her and it's clear at this point of the animanga that he wants nothing to do with her.

I believe that when you make a manga for teenagers, you have to be very careful how you treat your characters. I believe it will be taken as some sort of relationship advice because of how it's handled.

He thinks that she's just going after him because shes obsessed with the fact that he has absolutely no reaction to her, not because she actually has feelings.

True.

Later on however, he realizes Teruhashi has come to like him just for him, that her feelings have moved past just wanting him to find her attractive.

True.

And then he grows to respect her unwavering confidence and how she really does have a good influence on the people around her even if she has selfish motives.

True.

The point is they GROW to actually be more compatible for one another throughout the plot. At that point in the panel they were not meant to depict a good relationship. Do you think just because the author is hinting at them being a couple they have to act like one?

They do grow to be more compatible, but their relationship still sucks and is worse than Aiura and Saiki's because Saiki and Teruhashi never talk to each other. Saiki's appreciation of Teruhashi is in despite of what Teruhashi does. When Teruhashi is interested in Saiki, Saiki has an unhappy face even as late as chapter 280, because what she does makes him very stressed. Her being an "adversary" to Saiki doesn't make him happy.

I don't think that they necessarily need to act like a couple, however, I can see that Saiki and Teruhashi is the worst relationship that I've ever seen that is somehow portrayed as being good. They still have terrible compatibility at the end.