The tsundere trope is supposed to be a joke. the tsundere trope itself is kinda a funny joke anyway. it was meant to be a joke. (IF it was actually done in the anime or manga.)

Saiki isnt going to kill himself or anything, and saiki himself isnt a tsundere. he just doesnt like teruhashi. the joke was that what he did was so severe and a extreme reaction just to not be seen by someone. in season 2 they are going to still need a storyline. you cant just hang off a comedy manga/anime forever. you are going to want to read something new. there are jokes about his friends dying in stupid ways. (including kaido talking about how at one point they are all gonna go crazy on the island and start killing eachother with weapons, as he draws weird stuff on his face with marker.)

Its called the disastrous life of saiki k for a reason. its gonna have to actually get disastrous at some point

They arent hiding any POLITICAL ideologies at all.

It isnt used to promote horrible relationship adivce, as saiki doesnt want to be in a relationship anyway.

It also isnt used to promote fetishes because no weird fetishes are included. (even including saiki talking down on them and calling them disgusting.) Saiki starts warming up to his friends anyway, and doesnt try to hide from them as much.

You are whining about things that are just funny go along threats. he isnt actually threatening to do it. he isnt going to kill anybody. he isnt panning on doing it because he likes his friends. it was just a way to show he didnt like them. its obviously going to be ignored because hes not going to do it. the manga literally ends with him quite literally talking about how he loves his friends and how they'd support him no matter what he does. its heartwarming. there is no reason for this.

@Iloveyousomuchsososoooo

saiki himself isnt a tsundere. I agree with you. However, the show handles this badly and promotes the idea that he is a tsundere trope in the chapter with his grandpa.

He just doesnt like teruhashi. Yes, that's true in this moment, but my point is that his reaction is minimised and ridiculised.

It isnt used to promote horrible relationship adivce, as saiki doesnt want to be in a relationship anyway. I completely agree with you in that Saiki doesn't want to be in a relationship. However, it seems like the author made the completely irresponsible move to promote a Saiki x Teruhashi storyline with hints. Who knows what he has planned for them. Unfortunately, they messed it up, and that's why I'm complaining.

there are jokes about his friends dying in stupid ways. My problem is not that bad things happen. That is fine, because they are not treated badly. What happens elsewhere is that there is a recognition that what happens is bad, and that his friends dying is bad and I would argue that those are not of too bad taste,

However, my point is that in chapter 108, it's treated in a way that means Saiki's emotions don't actually matter. What this teaches the reader is that you should do this in a relationship, because most of the readers of the manga are very young.

It also isnt used to promote fetishes because no weird fetishes are included. The tsundere trope is a fetish because what it's about is ignoring someone's negative emotions and then getting gratification about it. My point is that the manga hides its' ideology in jokes. It's not political, but that doesn't matter. My point stays the same.

You are whining about things that are just funny go along threats. he isnt actually threatening to do it. he isnt going to kill anybody. he isnt panning on doing it because he likes his friends. No, neither of the events in chapter 108 nor 214 are funny, especially with the context that I know. It is true that he likes his friends, however, threats should not be taken as a joke.

Mental health and social constraint as a subject in Saiki K should not be ridiculised and ignored until it's just, "oh, he can get out if he wants to, he has super powers", or "he's not going to do this, let's not take any of his emotions seriously". That's why I think the entire show is wrong.

Isnt his grandpa the tsundere trope..? and the tsundere trope with the grandpa is supposed to be a joke

His reaction is minimized and ridiculised because hes not going to die or fall or anything.

The author didnt drop any hints, you are going solely based off things you THINK are hints. you go "who knows what the author has planned for them" like the anime and manga didnt end. the anime is saiki trying to AVOID dating teruhashi.

Oh yeah, and any sane person woud know not to re enact anything in manga. as a kid, if you saw someone kill in a manga because someone is bullying them and nobody would seek to help them out, would you do it too because someone was bullying you? would you kill a person over it? if someone re enacts smth in a manga it is not the manga's fault. when i was 10-13, i was reading manga that wasnt meant for teens or children and was meant for adults. i wasnt thinking "oh im gonna do whatever this guy did if i was in this situation"

For the last time, saiki isnt a tsundere. saiki isnt going to kill anybody or hurt anybody just because he says he will monotonely. its supposed to be a joke.

Saiki doesnt have any low mental health or social constraint, he just doesnt want to talk to people. he wants to live a normal life and doesnt want to be the MC

@Iloveyousomuchsososoooo Isnt his grandpa the tsundere trope..? and the tsundere trope with the grandpa is supposed to be a joke You should understand that it's not going to be taken as a joke, which is why it's serious.

His reaction is minimized and ridiculised because hes not going to die or fall or anything. So, let's say someone has a nervous breakdown/is scared of someone. Why is that funny? This still does not change what I said. All that this chapter does is make fun of mental health and Saiki's emotions.

This reply makes me so mad because it misses the point.

The author didnt drop any hints, you are going solely based off things you THINK are hints. you go "who knows what the author has planned for them" like the anime and manga didnt end. the anime is saiki trying to AVOID dating teruhashi.

I agree with you in that the end, Saiki and Teruhashi don't get together, which is good. That is very clear. However, I hate the author precisely because of how they treated Saiki x Teruhashi.

I extremely hate the author for the hints.

Oh yeah, and any sane person woud know not to re enact anything in manga. This is a slice of life anime, based on a highschool. Nobody is going to bully people in a manga because the manga doesn't support that message, but the manga jokes about the tsundere trope.

For the last time, saiki isnt a tsundere. saiki isnt going to kill anybody or hurt anybody just because he says he will monotonely. its supposed to be a joke.

I already said that I agree with what you said. But that still misses the point.

My point is that threats aren't funny and shouldn't be joked about in a comedy.

Saiki doesnt have any low mental health or social constraint, he just doesnt want to talk to people. he wants to live a normal life and doesnt want to be the MC

I am not talking about Saiki. I am talking about what the manga is supposedly trying to tell the readers.

What the manga is supposedly telling you is that you should ignore negative comments because of how it frames everything as not being serious. It ridiculises negative emotions as just being part of the tsundere trope. It makes Saiki and Teruhashi have a shitty relationship but then treats it as if it's positive.

This is so dumb 💀

@Ilovetheeffeltower If complaining about Saiki's emotions being ridiculised is dumb, tell me why. No argument that I've found against this is sufficient.

Panic attacks are not a joke and are not funny.

I'm genuinely confused by whatever it is your trying to say. Let start with the the term "tsundere" While im not a huge anime fan and only ever heard that term used every so often I assumed it meant a cold character who is actually sweet and caring internally. Even wikipedia says "depicts a character with an initially harsh personality who gradually reveals a warmer, friendlier side over time"

So if you could expand on how that is a fetish that would be great. You wrote:

"The tsundere trope is a fetish because what it's about is ignoring someone's negative emotions and then getting gratification about it."

• A Tsundere is just a common trope in anime that just has to do with the characters personality and character arc... how is it a fetish and how is the anime/manga portraying it in that way?

• Whos negative emotions are being ignored and whose ignoring them? Are Teruhashi and Aiura the ones ignoring or do you mean the author is ignoring that Saiki is troubled and just moving on like its a joke? Is that what you mean?

In the panels you showed he's just hiding from Teruhashi and telepathically communicating with Aiura saying that hearing the constant internal voices is a lot for him to handle.

Him hiding from Teruhashi out of the window isn't dangerous for him, hes a psychic, he can float in the air... for his character it's not a crazy reaction. When he sees a bug he teleports across the world, when he was scared by nendo he teleported across the world.

Him telling Aiura that he doesnt like hearing peoples thoughts 24/7 and that its a struggle rather than a blessing is perfectly fine, whats wrong with the author writing that? The whole point is that he's a super gifted psychic who has insane abilities that most people would love to have but he hates having them because it makes his life difficult, thats why its called "The Disastrous life of Saiki k". His struggles with his abilities should be shown.

• Who is getting gratification from Saiki's negative emotions? Teruhashi? Aiura? His friends? The readers or the author? Who?

No one can hear his internal thoughts and no one knows that he's inconvenienced by his powers. The people that know about his abilities don't know the struggle that comes with them because Saiki never really shares that or they cant understand because how could they possibly understand??

The author takes Saiki's emotions very seriously and portrays them as such, like how Saiki cared for Akechi from his childhood and lost control when he was being bullied and how he loves his friends and secretly tampers with their lives to help them. How he's scared and paranoid he will hurt them or that their friendship just wont be the same so he distances himself. He's a very well rounded character. Any minimisation of his emotions are done on purpose to show that Saiki doesnt like to be vulnerable which just adds further depth to his character.

Moving on...

"This use of the tsundere trope is unacceptable. If you can use it to basically ignore everything that Saiki says, this gives a very bad idea of a relationship. I think that this is even harmful because it is promoting bad relationship advice."

What relationship advice lol?? That panel was meant to emphasize how Saiki avoids Teruhashi. No one is thinking that he's interested in her and it's clear at this point of the animanga that he wants nothing to do with her. He thinks that she's just going after him because shes obsessed with the fact that he has absolutely no reaction to her, not because she actually has feelings. Later on however, he realizes Teruhashi has come to like him just for him, that her feelings have moved past just wanting him to find her attractive. And then he grows to respect her unwavering confidence and how she really does have a good influence on the people around her even if she has selfish motives.

The point is they GROW to actually be more compatible for one another throughout the plot. At that point in the panel they were not meant to depict a good relationship. Do you think just because the author is hinting at them being a couple they have to act like one?

A Tsundere is just a common trope in anime that just has to do with the characters personality and character arc... how is it a fetish and how is the anime/manga portraying it in that way?

The basis of the appeal of this trope is that whenever a character says something negative, the reader can just say that you can ignore everything that this character says. It's basically a kink based on denial, which is why I hate it. I think that this is how the author sees this. Let's say it's a relatively common trope in anime. That doesn't mean that it's accepted everywhere. Anime is still somewhat of a fringe thing.

The manga supports the tsundere trope and it is not just a joke, and is part of the series.

Whos negative emotions are being ignored and whose ignoring them? Are Teruhashi and Aiura the ones ignoring or do you mean the author is ignoring that Saiki is troubled and just moving on like its a joke? Is that what you mean?

I mean, it's both the author and the characters themselves. The characters ignoring Saiki's emotions doesn't necessarily suck, depending on how the author treats it. Teruhashi and Aiura ignore Saiki's emotions, but in chapter 108 Teruhashi has no way to know, this is made very clear. However, Aiura was being really annoying in chapter 214.

In the panels you showed he's just hiding from Teruhashi and telepathically communicating with Aiura saying that hearing the constant internal voices is a lot for him to handle.

If you translate the original Japanese sentence in chapter 214, it's a threat about making Aiura hear constant voices by using buddhist sutras.

In chapter 108, how Saiki acts is a panic attack, because of how Saiki reacts severely enough, as he said his body instinctually moved out of the way.

Him hiding from Teruhashi out of the window isn't dangerous for him, hes a psychic, he can float in the air... for his character it's not a crazy reaction. When he sees a bug he teleports across the world, when he was scared by nendo he teleported across the world.

I think that panic attacks should be seriously. When he sees a bug and teleports in a world, I think it was handled alright, because I think that the author paid enough attention to it. I think that chapter 108 was cruel and supported the idea that Saiki's emotions don't matter.

Him telling Aiura that he doesnt like hearing peoples thoughts 24/7 and that its a struggle rather than a blessing is perfectly fine, whats wrong with the author writing that? The whole point is that he's a super gifted psychic who has insane abilities that most people would love to have but he hates having them because it makes his life difficult, thats why its called "The Disastrous life of Saiki k". His struggles with his abilities should be shown.

That's not the whole context of chapter 214. As I said, it was originally a threat in the Japanese translation about making Aiura listening to buddhist sutras. However, chapter 214 was filled with Aiura bothering Saiki instead of leaving him alone.

I argue that chapter 108 and 214 show that Saiki's communication skills suck and that Saiki's emotions don't really matter, but instead of the author mentioning this, they make this bullshit narrative about Saiki secretly liking Teruhashi.

Who is getting gratification from Saiki's negative emotions? Teruhashi? Aiura? His friends? The readers or the author? Who?

The people who are getting gratification from Saiki's negative emotions are the author, and some unsavoury readers.

No one can hear his internal thoughts and no one knows that he's inconvenienced by his powers. The people that know about his abilities don't know the struggle that comes with them because Saiki never really shares that or they cant understand because how could they possibly understand??

They don't need to understand his probleems with his powers. However, what they should do is that they should leave him alone if he asks them to like in chapter 214. I think that Saiki struggles with saying no to things, which is a big problem for many Japanese people. However, I think that this manga amplifies it too much.

The author takes Saiki's emotions very seriously and portrays them as such, like how Saiki cared for Akechi from his childhood and lost control when he was being bullied and how he loves his friends and secretly tampers with their lives to help them. How he's scared and paranoid he will hurt them or that their friendship just wont be the same so he distances himself. He's a very well rounded character. Any minimisation of his emotions are done on purpose to show that Saiki doesnt like to be vulnerable which just adds further depth to his character.

I agree with most of this, but I think that when Saiki is unhappy and has a very unhappy face and just doesn't want to deal with people, it's not handled correctly.

Chapter 108 treats Saiki's emotions as a complete joke and there were no consequences for what happened. I think that this is irresponsible the way it was shown. It is very clear that at this point that he wants nothing to do with her, I agree with you.

What relationship advice lol?? That panel was meant to emphasize how Saiki avoids Teruhashi. No one is thinking that he's interested in her and it's clear at this point of the animanga that he wants nothing to do with her.

I believe that when you make a manga for teenagers, you have to be very careful how you treat your characters. I believe it will be taken as some sort of relationship advice because of how it's handled.

He thinks that she's just going after him because shes obsessed with the fact that he has absolutely no reaction to her, not because she actually has feelings.

True.

Later on however, he realizes Teruhashi has come to like him just for him, that her feelings have moved past just wanting him to find her attractive.

True.

And then he grows to respect her unwavering confidence and how she really does have a good influence on the people around her even if she has selfish motives.

True.

The point is they GROW to actually be more compatible for one another throughout the plot. At that point in the panel they were not meant to depict a good relationship. Do you think just because the author is hinting at them being a couple they have to act like one?

They do grow to be more compatible, but their relationship still sucks and is worse than Aiura and Saiki's because Saiki and Teruhashi never talk to each other. Saiki's appreciation of Teruhashi is in despite of what Teruhashi does. When Teruhashi is interested in Saiki, Saiki has an unhappy face even as late as chapter 280, because what she does makes him very stressed. Her being an "adversary" to Saiki doesn't make him happy.

I don't think that they necessarily need to act like a couple, however, I can see that Saiki and Teruhashi is the worst relationship that I've ever seen that is somehow portrayed as being good. They still have terrible compatibility at the end.

Hi again,

You wrote:

• The basis of the appeal of this trope is that whenever a character says something negative, the reader can just say that you can ignore everything that this character says. It's basically a kink based on denial, which is why I hate it.

• The people who are getting gratification from Saiki's negative emotions are the author, and some unsavoury readers.

The author can't control how the reader is interpreting the character, the author can't control the readers kinks

You act as if just mentioning the tsundere trope some sort of perverted fetish, that it shouldn't be used at all. Just looking it up its described as a common nonharmful trope found in anime. So please enlighten me as to why being a tsundere is controversial in your eyes. I really dont see anyone else is coming to the same conclusions as you.

And keep in mind anything can be turned into a kink and a fetish, some random weirdo on the internet sees a trope that way doesn't mean anything. Should people never be barefoot on tv again just because someone has a foot fetish?

I don't understand how the author is getting gratification from Saiki's negative emotions when, as I've said before (and you agreed), he's written Saiki as a well rounded, complicated character. If it was a fetish following a trope that would just not be the case... he would be one-dimensional.

Let's say it's a relatively common trope in anime. That doesn't mean that it's accepted everywhere. Anime is still somewhat of a fringe thing.

Um okay? lol who cares how the rest of the world sees it, as a American who barely ever watched anime before watching saiki k, I knew it was based in Japan and understood and accepted that there would be cultural differences and uncommon terms. People with common sense can come to the same conclusions.

The manga supports the tsundere trope and it is not just a joke, and is part of the series.

Again, I fail to see the issue. what's wrong with the tsundere trope and why shouldn't it be in the series?

I mean, it's both the author and the characters themselves. The characters ignoring Saiki's emotions doesn't necessarily suck, depending on how the author treats it. Teruhashi and Aiura ignore Saiki's emotions, but in chapter 108 Teruhashi has no way to know, this is made very clear. However, Aiura was being really annoying in chapter 214.

Aiura in chapter 214 was just trying to get the attention of the guy she likes. She was talking telepathically to him while he didnt respond back and he later told her that it wasnt worth his time. You calling her annoying for that is just weird. It was a funny bit and if you think about it, it's not like he explicitly told her to stop. He legit just ignored her and LATER on said it was problem. When saiki tells her to leave in that chapter she does, when saiki asks for her help she helps.

If you translate the original Japanese sentence in chapter 214, it's a threat about making Aiura hear constant voices by using buddhist sutras.

Okay? and why does that matter. Do you mean it's a bad thing that he threatened to make her hear the constant voices... seriously? it's a joke. A hyperbole. people say "I'll kill you" to friends all the time. Do i really gotta explain this?

I fear you're too sensitive to be reading this.

In chapter 108, how Saiki acts is a panic attack, because of how Saiki reacts severely enough, as he said his body instinctually moved out of the way.

Again, his body instinctually teleported to across the world when he was jumpscared by nendo and the cockroach. You're reaching, But to indulge you, he subconsiously wanted to avoid teruhashi for obvious reasons, who was suddenly nearby and just hid from her, nothing more than that. Like the cockroach and nendo, he was surprised by their presence and reacted. His version of flinching is a whole other level because of his powers.

Saying it's a panic attack is way too over the top, you clearly have little idea what that even means.

It wasnt a panic attack. Panic attacks are triggered by

• "Major life stress, such as the death or serious illness of a loved one. A traumatic event, such as sexual assault or a serious accident. Major changes in your life, such as a divorce or the addition of a baby. Smoking or excessive caffeine intake"

It's very serious and nothing like this situation and saying that it is is disrespectful to people who suffer from it.

• I argue that chapter 108 and 214 show that Saiki's communication skills suck and that Saiki's emotions don't really matter, but instead of the author mentioning this, they make this bullshit narrative about Saiki secretly liking Teruhashi.

• Chapter 108 treats Saiki's emotions as a complete joke and there were no consequences for what happened. I think that this is irresponsible the way it was shown. It is very clear that at this point that he wants nothing to do with her, I agree with you.

Yes! Saiki's communication skills do suck! Thats like the whole point and shown again and again. The "negative emotions" in question are literally just Saiki dodging Teruhashi and Saiki saying mindreading isn't fun/saying he'll make Aiura hear buddhist sutras. None of which was meant to be taken seriously. Exactly what consequences should be shown??? lmaooo exactly what do you want to happen? tell me word for word how you would rewrite those scenes.

And that "bullshit" narrative about Saiki secretly liking Teruhashi isn't even present in 108 from what I recall. in 214 their relationship had already developed to the point where they had a better understanding of each other, ending in him saying offu to her thoughts.

However, what they should do is that they should leave him alone if he asks them to like in chapter 214. I think that Saiki struggles with saying no to things, which is a big problem for many Japanese people. However, I think that this manga amplifies it too much.

Aiura DID leave him alone! Saiki says no to aiura, toritsuka, his family, chono, the baseball team, and probably everyone at least once. In fact he almost always says no but ends up having to do things because of societal expectations, his mom, or his own curiosity. If not the manga just wouldn't exist because he quite literally has the power to avoid everything. it also adds to his character that despite him saying no he still is involved because either he wants to fit in or he cares for his family and friends so he does things for them or pays extra attention to them. Examples: Him helping Chisato and her dad (feeling bad), Him participating in PE, & working with Teruhashi on the play (societal expectations), playing with nendo and kaidou in the snow (mom's influence).

but I think that when Saiki is unhappy and has a very unhappy face and just doesn't want to deal with people, it's not handled correctly

We all know Saiki isn't actually unhappy, he's just acting like that, the whole point is that he acts like he doesnt care about people but he really does. He frowns and sighs and acts distant when hes completely enveloped in their lives and actively trying to help them. Most people in his life know this to some extent. Even the people who don't know of his abilities enjoy his company and think he enjoy's theres. they all have altered perceptions of him too, with teruhashi and yumehara seeing him as dorky and shy while kaidou thinks of him highly and how nendo thinks their best friends. He always looks unhappy it's just his normal face.

• They do grow to be more compatible, but their relationship still sucks and is worse than Aiura and Saiki's because Saiki and Teruhashi never talk to each other. Saiki's appreciation of Teruhashi is in despite of what Teruhashi does. When Teruhashi is interested in Saiki, Saiki has an unhappy face even as late as chapter 280, because what she does makes him very stressed. Her being an "adversary" to Saiki doesn't make him happy.

• I don't think that they necessarily need to act like a couple, however, I can see that Saiki and Teruhashi is the worst relationship that I've ever seen that is somehow portrayed as being good. They still have terrible compatibility at the end.

Thats just your opinion. It's not like Teruhashi knows shes giving Saiki trouble. She assumes that any man should be happy to be in her presence and that Saiki is just hiding how he feels because he's reserved and thats just his personality. In her imagination she really thinks she's making him happy.

I personally like their relationship because they are complete opposites but complement eachother perfectly. Teruhashi is a force to be reckoned with that Saiki can't even stop and she doesn't even realize what she's doing. I do think Saiki and Aiura get along better and I love their dynamic but thats just because she knows his abilities. If Teruhashi did, him and her would be close too. Also Aiura likes him because of how powerful he is and because he's apparently her soulmate so she thinks she should like him so just keep that in mind

But again with Saiteru, Saiki has accepted her and she's accepted him. Even with him barely speaking she's learned to love his company and even with her selfish personality Saiki appreciates her.

I still can see why people don't ship them but I don't see the harm in shipping them or the author pushing them together. Im okay with him ending up without anyone or with Aiura or Teruhashi, but we probably wont ever see that.

I believe that when you make a manga for teenagers, you have to be very careful how you treat your characters. I believe it will be taken as some sort of relationship advice because of how it's handled.

Sadly it all comes down to the fact that it really isn't that serious :(, if you think someone is going to be badly influenced by this then I would hate to see how you react to other stories and films or how you even exist in real life if THIS is somehow too cruel. People can be badly influenced by any little thing- that doesnt mean artists should limit their creativity and cater to every person in the audience. I watched this series when I was 14, I could very well understand what was being shown and adored every second of it.

The teenagers you're imagining that aren't able to see the nuance of saiki and teruhashi's relationship and arent able to comprehend saiki's emotions would be just stupid people. The author doesn't have to care about how stupid people will percieve his media. If you were writing a story would you dumb down and simplify the characters just because there MIGHT be someone out there who doesnt understand? I hope not.

@Urworldprincess You act as if just mentioning the tsundere trope some sort of perverted fetish, that it shouldn't be used at all. Just looking it up its described as a common nonharmful trope found in anime. So please enlighten me as to why being a tsundere is controversial in your eyes. I really dont see anyone else is coming to the same conclusions as you.

I feel like the only reason why the tsundere trope is used is to ignore Saiki's emotions and ridicule them. Many people don't like the tsundere trope because of other reasons, and violence. However, I don't like the tsundere trope because I think it's unhealthy and I don't think it's a good way to analyse characters.

I don't understand how the author is getting gratification from Saiki's negative emotions when, as I've said before (and you agreed), he's written Saiki as a well rounded, complicated character. If it was a fetish following a trope that would just not be the case... he would be one-dimensional.

I think that a fetish following a trope can be 3-dimensional. Even with how much there is, I feel like the author sees Saiki's emotions to be ridiculed and ignored, just because of the tsundere trope.

Um okay? lol who cares how the rest of the world sees it, as a American who barely ever watched anime before watching saiki k, I knew it was based in Japan and understood and accepted that there would be cultural differences and uncommon terms. People with common sense can come to the same conclusions.

Cultural differences don't automatically make a trope good.

Aiura in chapter 214 was just trying to get the attention of the guy she likes. She was talking telepathically to him while he didnt respond back and he later told her that it wasnt worth his time. You calling her annoying for that is just weird. It was a funny bit and if you think about it, it's not like he explicitly told her to stop. He legit just ignored her and LATER on said it was problem. When saiki tells her to leave in that chapter she does, when saiki asks for her help she helps.

My point is that in chapter 214, Saiki's way of communicating with other people failed. Aiura was very annoying to Saiki, because Saiki really wanted Aiura to leave him alone and said that he said he would even go to desert with her.

It's not funny, instead of this being turned into a serious moment, this is turned into some bullshit plot point about Saiki liking Teruhashi. About how Saiki apparently likes people who are true to themselves. I think the author is irresponsible.

Okay? and why does that matter. Do you mean it's a bad thing that he threatened to make her hear the constant voices... seriously? it's a joke. A hyperbole. people say "I'll kill you" to friends all the time. Do i really gotta explain this? I fear you're too sensitive to be reading this.

That's not my point. I think I understand when threats should be taken seriously. Especially when Teruhashi is changing her hairstyle and Saiki is obviously not comfortable with what is going on and wants it to stop.

It's very serious and nothing like this situation and saying that it is is disrespectful to people who suffer from it.

Disrespectful? I think not wanting to deal with somebody that tries to bother you is enough reason for this. I don't think that what you said about panic attacks is correct either. If you look at how he reacted, in literally any other media it would be a panic attack.

The "negative emotions" in question are literally just Saiki dodging Teruhashi and Saiki saying mindreading isn't fun/saying he'll make Aiura hear buddhist sutras. None of which was meant to be taken seriously. Exactly what consequences should be shown??? lmaooo exactly what do you want to happen? tell me word for word how you would rewrite those scenes.

It's very obvious what I would do. I would completely remove chapter 108 and the scenes where the tsundere trope is mentioned. I would make Saiki react in future chapters, like make him bang his hand on something in anger. It's very obvious how to make someone's emotions matter.

I would just do what literally every other franchise does, and make Saiki have continuity for his emotions and have other characters react to them more seriously.

And that "bullshit" narrative about Saiki secretly liking Teruhashi isn't even present in 108 from what I recall. in 214 their relationship had already developed to the point where they had a better understanding of each other, ending in him saying offu to her thoughts.

The offu in chapter 214 is disingenuous because of how Saiki was unhappy with what was going on. I think he said offu because he was just fed up with everything.

Aiura DID leave him alone! Saiki says no to aiura, toritsuka, his family, chono, the baseball team, and probably everyone at least once. In fact he almost always says no but ends up having to do things because of societal expectations, his mom, or his own curiosity. If not the manga just wouldn't exist because he quite literally has the power to avoid everything. it also adds to his character that despite him saying no he still is involved because either he wants to fit in or he cares for his family and friends so he does things for them or pays extra attention to them. Examples: Him helping Chisato and her dad (feeling bad), Him participating in PE, & working with Teruhashi on the play (societal expectations), playing with nendo and kaidou in the snow (mom's influence).

Aiura did leave him alone, but didn't leave him alone until he made it more serious. I think it's better off if the manga doesn't exist, because I think that what the franchise did should be treated very carefully, however it was handled badly. Him helping Chisato and her dad is a good example.

We all know Saiki isn't actually unhappy, he's just acting like that, the whole point is that he acts like he doesnt care about people but he really does. He frowns and sighs and acts distant when hes completely enveloped in their lives and actively trying to help them. Most people in his life know this to some extent. Even the people who don't know of his abilities enjoy his company and think he enjoy's theres. they all have altered perceptions of him too, with teruhashi and yumehara seeing him as dorky and shy while kaidou thinks of him highly and how nendo thinks their best friends. He always looks unhappy it's just his normal face.

I think that that is a dangerous idea, that you can discard Saiki's facial expressions so easily. I think that Saiki does care about his friends and their lives, but he is unhappy because of various reasons and lack of communication. I don't think he is acting. I think that it's clear if you do something good for Saiki, then he will smile, but most of the time he's not like that.

I think that there should be some boundaries for Saiki frowning normally and actually being very sad.

Thats just your opinion. It's not like Teruhashi knows shes giving Saiki trouble. She assumes that any man should be happy to be in her presence and that Saiki is just hiding how he feels because he's reserved and thats just his personality. In her imagination she really thinks she's making him happy.

I agree.

I personally like their relationship because they are complete opposites but complement eachother perfectly. Teruhashi is a force to be reckoned with that Saiki can't even stop and she doesn't even realize what she's doing. I do think Saiki and Aiura get along better and I love their dynamic but thats just because she knows his abilities. If Teruhashi did, him and her would be close too. Also Aiura likes him because of how powerful he is and because he's apparently her soulmate so she thinks she should like him so just keep that in mind. But again with Saiteru, Saiki has accepted her and she's accepted him. Even with him barely speaking she's learned to love his company and even with her selfish personality Saiki appreciates her. I still can see why people don't ship them but I don't see the harm in shipping them or the author pushing them together. Im okay with him ending up without anyone or with Aiura or Teruhashi, but we probably wont ever see that.

I see your approach, and I respect the idea of the author making Saiki K end up without anyone or with anyone. However, what I don't respect is an author messing up a relationship. I think that relationships should be based on utility and actual communication rather than whatever this is, which is why I mentioned Aiura.

I think that Saiki and Aiura get along better because Aiura doesn't have the same pride and same personality as Saiki, not because of Aiura knowing Saiki's abilities. I think that they don't communicate at all because of Teruhashi treating this like a game. If Teruhashi knew Saiki's abilities, they wouldn't necessarily get along.

Sadly it all comes down to the fact that it really isn't that serious :(, if you think someone is going to be badly influenced by this then I would hate to see how you react to other stories and films or how you even exist in real life if THIS is somehow too cruel. People can be badly influenced by any little thing- that doesnt mean artists should limit their creativity and cater to every person in the audience. I watched this series when I was 14, I could very well understand what was being shown and adored every second of it.

It is serious, and I only hate Saiki K. In fact, I think I am being quite reasonable. I can like a piece of media even with its' flaws, because everything is context. I can watch movies like 28 days later and 500 days of summer and enjoy them. I am not saying that you should cater to every person in the audience, and that you should dumb down and simplify the characters. I just think that the author of Saiki K doesn't care about Saiki's negative emotions, and spread this idea to the audience.

The teenagers you're imagining that aren't able to see the nuance of saiki and teruhashi's relationship and arent able to comprehend saiki's emotions would be just stupid people. The author doesn't have to care about how stupid people will percieve his media. If you were writing a story would you dumb down and simplify the characters just because there MIGHT be someone out there who doesnt understand? I hope not.

They wouldn't be stupid people just because of that. I think that it's quite dificult to question a manga and dispel ideas that you've had once you've seen it. It took me years to develop the view of Saiki K I had today. Even if you think you are immune to propaganda, you are never. I think that overall, what Saiki K tells me as a message is completely wrong. If I was writing a story, I would care about making my character blunt and able to communicate with other people instead of this shit. I respect nuance.