@Wrial Individual weirdos will be weird. That's not the fault of the manga.

When a manga markets itself towards teenagers or children, you should see that the manga is based around making fun of other peoples' emotions by using the tsundere trope, you will of course see a bunch of weirdos.

Not unrealistic. We're talking maladaptive behaviors here, which are a real thing. If there's an actual reason for them to be unhappy someone isn't a tsundere.

If we're talking about maladaptive behaviours, then I agree, they are a real thing. Maladaptive behaviours exist. However, it's never in the case of the tsundere trope. The fact that there is an actual reason for him to be unhappy, because people who force him to do things make him unhappy when they force him to do things.

Mental health representation is good actually. Sure, this is typically surface level, but it can be well-written. People misattributing emotions is a real thing and should receive representation in media.

Mental health exploration has many potential boons. However, this isn't handled well because there are no consequences to Saiki when he has negative reactions. The advice that this manga is telling me is that if someone looks unhappy, then they are just a tsundere. This is complete bullshit.

You're missing the point. Saiki is entirely capable of saying no to people without reservation. He literally does it a few pages prior to Toritsuka. The only thing at stake is that he doesn't want to disappoint his friends. It's not fear. It's a comedically tense moment, and the only reason why it's a standout is that Saiki doesn't have many moments where things aren't in his control. The thing being expressed here is that the scene is tense, not once throughout the series is there reason to suspect that Saiki is scared of Teruhashi. Yes, it's a funny scene. It wouldn't be if he were having a panic attack but he's not.

No I'm not missing the point. Saiki is definitely scared of Teruhashi's power and influence as he was in previous chapters, which is why he has such a strong reaction. They very rarely actually communicate to each other. In chapter 5 when they first meet he teleports away from her also out of "instinct". Does that look like control to you? If you look at the tone that Saiki has in chapter 214 he begs Aiura to stop what is going on, threatens her to break her mind with buddhist sutras and is unhappy for the entire chapter.

Saiki doesn't really have control over Teruhashi because he has morals and guilt about his psychic power. In the end, it's not control, it's lack of trust and being forced to do things by his friends. If you look at other moments where Teruhashi forces Saiki to do things he also has an unhappy face. If you purely look at the reaction that Saiki has, it's clearly a panic attack.

If you see someone have a worried or an unhappy face, then why don't you take it at face value? The reasons behind it might be different, but the fact is that they are worried or unhappy. This is everything wrong with the Saiki K fandom. This is why Saiki K analyses are a huge pile of dogshit compared to other fandoms.

@Succotashinthebyrd bro

1. why are you on a place where people like saiki k just to tell them why you dont like it

2. youre wrong, because like the other person said this is literally just a comedy series. anyone with a functioning brain who has the ability to make decisions saiki and co. might make (like dating) would understand that its stupid to ignore someones emotions and what theyre telling you, and if they dont understand it, then theyre too young to and will eventually

3. you cant just use the same evidence over and over again and expect that to be a valid argument. you keep quoting the same chapters with the same explanation and its redundant

4. saiki's fear about teruhashi's influence is literally normal. if you meet someone at school or work who has lots of friends or knows lots of people, you'd be careful around them too because they could ruin your life

TLDR you're wrong and go away if you just want to hate

@AelinAndRowanForever!!!

You can see how this idea of ignoring Saiki's negative emotions is deeply embedded within the fandom itself. This is not about having a functioning brain. This is about being indoctrinated by anime and not thinking critically.

Comedies are inherently bad because if the ideas within it are shit and you make fun of something in bad taste, it is not an issue of it being a comedy anymore.

3. you cant just use the same evidence over and over again and expect that to be a valid argument. you keep quoting the same chapters with the same explanation and its redundant

Prove me wrong. I could say the same thing about the "comedy" argument. No matter how much you use it, it doesn't work because it is unable to hold comedies accountable for the bad actions that they do, which is why it's not a valid logic base. For all I know you do not understand what my actual arguments are. I can hate what I want.

4. saiki's fear about teruhashi's influence is literally normal. if you meet someone at school or work who has lots of friends or knows lots of people, you'd be careful around them too because they could ruin your life

We actually agree about this. However, the argument that I was trying to put forward is that in chapter 108, Saiki is scared and is having a panic attack. For some reason, when Saiki is unhappy, the fandom ignores it and tells me it isn't. By agreeing with me, you are showing me that you have a basic amount of respect for Saiki's emotions.

I wouldn't care if it was just a panic attack. However, the show uses it with the tsundere trope to denigrate and ridiculise Saiki's emotions. When Saiki is unhappy, there are no consequences for him being unhappy. Saiki's negative emotions don't matter and are fetishised.

TLDR you're wrong and go away if you just want to hate

I don't just want to hate. In my opinion, shows like Saiki K are degenerate and have a negative effect on peoples' lives and relationships.

@Succotashinthebyrd I mean yeah the whole point of a show being a comedy is to make fun of stuff in real life that are normally serious. honestly the goal is to make the reader/watcher laugh, it doesnt matter how

I cant really prove your arguments wrong because i watched the anime and therefore have no idea whats going on in the chapters you mentioned

If you think the show is bad then why are you here

Honestly, just from looking at a brief summary of 108, im pretty sure youre just reading meaning. This is where everyone asks Saiki to do something with them over summer break right? Saiki's what, like 16 or 17? he has the agency to say no to doing those things. pretty sure hes done it before, maybe to toritsuka (probably because in some places/generally he just dislikes toritsuka, unlike the rest of his friends). because the thing is, all the things they invited him to sound normal for friends to invite their friends to do, and they could even be fun if saiki were to try and enjoy it. i think that if Saiki truly did not want to go do those things, he would say no

If you want to say that Saiki actually does not like his friends and gets super scared every time they ask him to do something then whatever thats your opinion but sometimes, you just have to go with the flow. this is a place where majority of people like to "ignore his emotions" like youre saying, and this could be good or bad, but remember there isnt too much ignoring of emotions or respect to give in the first place - Saiki is some scribbles on paper, along with the rest of his fans. at the end of the day, you know what they say - "when in rome, behave like a roman". this is rome, and youre acting like a greek

@AelinAndRowanForever!!! I am not saying that Saiki doesn't actually like his friends. What I am saying is that chapter 108 is a panic attack. Saiki says that he acted automatically and shows a very scared face. Even if Saiki can say no, he doesn't say no, instead he has a panic attack due to his fear of Teruhashi's power, and that's purely based on his reactions.

I mean yeah the whole point of a show being a comedy is to make fun of stuff in real life that are normally serious. honestly the goal is to make the reader/watcher laugh, it doesnt matter how

Would you accept racism or sexism when you realise that a "comedy" show you like makes an unsavoury joke? To an extent, you can see jokes as funny even if you don't agree with them. However, the argument as you state it cannot stand, and the joke is handled poorly.

If you think the show is bad then why are you here

Because I want to vent my extreme anger and disappointment about this series. Just because I don't like it, doesn't mean I didn't learn anything from it. Whether I like it or not, this show is very personal to me. I discovered it after I suffered from in a bad relationship from a combination of my own mistakes and from them mocking me. Then I got gaslit and verbally abused online by a certain member on this fandom.

this is a place where majority of people like to "ignore his emotions" like youre saying, and this could be good or bad, but remember there isnt too much ignoring of emotions or respect to give in the first place - Saiki is some scribbles on paper, along with the rest of his fans. at the end of the day, you know what they say - "when in rome, behave like a roman". this is rome, and youre acting like a greek

What some people can't seem to understand is that culture can be bad and is never safe from criticism. Saiki K represents a particularly bad part of Japanese culture (and now english-speaking culture from Japanese influence). It's up to you to decide this for yourself.

Saiki is far from being scribbles on paper, as real lives can be affected by this bad relationship advice. And you're comparing this fandom to Rome? Rome was a huge success in empire building, which is why it was to be imitated in the first place. Do you honestly think this fandom has any importance compared to other fandoms? In your analogy, this is not Rome, this is a city in Germany.

Your statement shows the pure amount of arrogance that you have for this fandom. Imagine saying that in an anime community that defends all kinds of nasty shit, and you'll see how ridiculous your statement is. Please, never use that statement again for your own sake.

can you post a picture of the panel/s youre talking about

and why are you venting here??

Ngl just caught myself with that bias about ignoring what someone is actually feeling/saying lol. you're right, i agree with what youre saying, i just think youre taking it too seriously

And you're comparing this fandom to Rome? Rome was a huge success in empire building, which is why it was to be imitated in the first place. Do you honestly think this fandom has any importance compared to other fandoms? In your analogy, this is not Rome, this is a city in Germany.

@Succotashinthebyrd Im not comparing the fandom im using the saying, do you not know it??

How is this a city in germany?? is that where the server is hosted?? is that where you live? is it where i live?

@AelinAndRowanForever!!! This is the picture/pictures.

Maybe I am taking it too seriously. However, this is quite personal. The reason why is because I feel like I was treated the same way as Saiki in my life by some people.

Im not comparing the fandom im using the saying, do you not know it??

How is this a city in germany?? is that where the server is hosted?? is that where you live? is it where i live?

If you know history, you know that Rome was the empire, and the people in Germany were the "barbarians". Maybe it wasn't completely true, but this is the example that I used. This is why I disagree with the saying. Respect for a culture/manga is earned. Why should I respect Saiki K as a franchise? My point is that nobody has to necessarily conform to what other people say. You can still treat it fairly, but finding your own unique opinion is way more difficult and true to yourself.

I used to have a really negative opinion of Japanese culture just because of Saiki K, but now, I still don't like certain parts of it, however my opinion is quite different. And that's fine. Some people act as if Japanese culture has no flaws and cannot be criticised, whereas all cultures can be criticised.

@Succotashinthebyrd

"Maybe I am taking it too seriously. However, this is quite personal. The reason why is because I feel like I was treated the same way as Saiki in my life by some people."

Saiki is a fictional character with a multitude of supernatural powers surrounded by caricatures in a GAG SERIES. if you're taking it personal then thats on you because you're the one doing mental gymnastics to reveal the "deeper meaning" in simple, lighthearted interactions . it's not the author's fault you're interpreting the scenes in a way he never thought of/intended ?

You're acting like majority of comedy doesnt pull from real life situations and issues? it's really not as crazy and inappropriate as you're making it out to be-- if that was the case, im surprised you're not flapping your gums about the whole incestual bit between teruhashi and makoto, even saiki and kuusuke !

Also everybody in the show stresses him out... as if thats not the whole point of "the DISASTEROUS life of saiki k"

@Bananasummers Also everybody in the show stresses him out... as if thats not the whole point of "the DISASTEROUS life of saiki k"

You got it right here. What I hate is people trying to deny this.

if that was the case, im surprised you're not flapping your gums about the whole incestual bit between teruhashi and makoto, even saiki and kuusuke !

I don't care because in those cases those are exposed as being clearly bad and are not supported by the show.

You don't understand even the simplest point of my argument at all. SaiTeru is clearly not the same, it is supported as a normal ship, and the tsundere trope is used to ridiculise Saiki's emotions.

Saiki is a fictional character with a multitude of supernatural powers surrounded by caricatures in a GAG SERIES. if you're taking it personal then thats on you because you're the one doing mental gymnastics to reveal the "deeper meaning" in simple, lighthearted interactions . it's not the author's fault you're interpreting the scenes in a way he never thought of/intended ?

Literally what I see is: Saiki has a panic attack or is unhappy, it is treated as a joke by the author, so the fandom completely ignores it or claims Saiki is a tsundere.

Fandom, if you do this, fuck you. If you can't identify basic negative emotions and unhappiness by watching Saiki look unhappy, then this will negatively affect your life.